BC Sailing has just posted the three cases which will be heard by the PHRF-BC committee. Only three boats (in VARC) affected.
Case 1: Haida 26 base rating and two as-sailed ratings being appealed by Crystal Dolphin
Case 2: SR33 being self-appealed
Case 3: Haida 26 as-sailed rating being appealed by Avanti II
It looks like the PHRF 100-200 review will be put forward in the Spring.
The agenda for tonight’s meeting has been set, and includes some interesting additions to the 3 cases:
The five base boat ratings weren’t reviews per se, as I understand things, but rather were new boats being accepted into the system at the specified ratings.
Krikkit and NA showed up to the appeals as observers. Having sat in a few of these now (as both observer and participant), this one was a real popcorn-muncher (it was a 5-blast hearing, if 1 is “smooth, calm and clear” and 5 is “dramatic, emotional and contradictory”).
One upshot is that the board expressed a commitment to putting clearer information in the “Notes” section for boats that have been modified from stock. This is definitely something I approve of – the PHRF certificate format isn’t well optimized for capturing information about modified boats, and the resulting certs can be open to interpretation and misinterpretation.
I have no idea what became of the Chesapeake Rule, that was part of the regular committee meeting. Minutes of both the regular and appeals meetings should be out in a couple weeks, we were told.
It looks like the ratings have been updated, but the minutes aren’t up yet.
The Haida 26 appears to have been hit for 3 seconds, and it looks like they gave the SR33 a 6-second credit (a little less than half of what Havoc wanted).
I’ll be interested to see what happens with the Dufour 34E.
The Handicap Committee/Appeals meeting minutes are up now at https://bcsailing.bc.ca/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/2019-Fall-Handicappers-Meeting-Minutes-FINAL-003.pdf.
Also posted here in jpg format
I don’t understand why they adjusted the base rating for the Haida 26 boat when the 2 Haida’s being discussed are heavily modified Haidas.
Its Jan 10, any news on the fleet review?
It’s still right on schedule:
A new boat owner has his boated hauled out for painting and minor repairs, and the yard says it’ll take two weeks. Three weeks later the boat’s still not ready.
Concerned, the owner asks what the delay is. “Delay?" says the yard manager. “No, we’re right on schedule.”
“But you said it would take two weeks," says the owner, “and it’s been three weeks already.”
“Ah!," says the yard manager, looking the owner square in the eye. “That was two nautical weeks. Like nautical miles, they’re a little longer.”
In our informal betting pool I’d put down March 3rd as the day the review would be released, so unless it goes out later today then I guess I didn’t win.
At any rate, this is getting interesting because we’re now one month away from the official start of the season and there are several cusp boats that are likely wondering what division exactly they’ll be racing in.
Given that Div 2 runs under ORC for VARC, the timing could become a real problem for any cuspers who get moved to Div 2 by the review but don’t yet have ORC certs. Especially if there’s no existing ORC hull file for their particular boat.
Boy that J92 wins a lot, preliminary research shows Other areas to be 105 to 111…
Asking for a friend.
I’m the owner of the J92 and was/am still expecting a lower number as part of the fleet review. I’ve been more of a one design sailor than handicap racer over the years so no expert on PHRF, but seems like the overall review is necessary in the interest of keeping things fair and boosting participation in the fleet.
Whoa, humility and empathy… are you actually a sailor?
I am - all goodwill gets abandoned at the prep flag.
A tip of the hat to you sir.
Zaff results were pretty good when it rated 114 in BC and less so when it rated 105 in PHRF NW. Maybe the number might be somewhere in the middle?
Sure and there must be lots of data out there on my, and everyone’s boats. It’s more about the splits than the number. So here’s hoping there will be an arms length review completed well in advance of the next season (whenever that is) and that lots of teams will come out.
Div 3 should join Divs 1 & 2 and go ORC for VARC racing. It’s a more accurate system (which means it creates tighter, more competitive racing), and I swear if we put even a little effort in we could get everyone measured in and certificates issued before the PHRF review ever gets finished and goes live.
Word is, if Div 3 makes the commitment to switch, ORC may be willing to provide the initial certs for free for the first-timers.
Mind you, I’ve had my ORC cert for three years now – I’m just waiting for the rest of you!
Thursday’s Child would already have an ORC certificate if I could get the line drawings (which I’ve been trying to do), but scanning and such is just too much of a pain for me to deal with. I suspect I’m not the only one who has this issue because they have a low-production rate boat.
In any event, I think PHRF will last longer than VARC division 3, so I’m hoping for a completion of the review.
We could probably arrange a hull wanding day for the problem boats. If we had a few ready to do all the same day, the costs for each would come down. Hell, I’ll even throw some $$$ into the pot to make it happen and help offset the financial pain for those few boats without hull files. And I bet we could get a couple local sailing organizations to throw in some money too.
Where there’s a will, there’s a way.
I will likely get an ORC certificate too but still hoping we get the PHRF fleet review soon.
The problem is that I know you really want ORC, but I don’t care as much, so I’m not really willing to go through the hassle of paying for a haul-out just to scan the boat. PHRF-BC isn’t perfect. A 3-6 second change also doesn’t really impact series (or long-distance) race results much, so PHRF is probably good enough to make racing interesting.
None of this ratings stuff will every really address the basic issue, which is that we’re all racing dissimilar boats. What do a J/92, Abbott 36(X), and Hotfoot 31 have in common? Pretty much nothing; one will plane on a deep reach in heavy airs, another will waterline in 6-12 kts (especially on a reach), and the third will do well in 4-6 but also surf in 12+.
Anyway, this conversation has been had many times, and I think most of us know each others’ views.
I’ve heard that @Wraith is in possession of some preliminary numbers, though it looks like no decisions will be made until Spring.
